All Discussions Tagged 'productive' - Occupy Cafe2024-03-28T18:16:03Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topic/listForTag?groupUrl=occupy-2-0-new-economic-models&tag=productive&feed=yes&xn_auth=noEconomies as Forums for All Voicestag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-01:6451976:Topic:146442011-12-01T15:30:36.891ZDavid Eggletonhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DavidEggleton
<p><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">Dave commented</font></font></font></span></p>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>I think there could be two strands to this:…</i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<p><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">Dave commented</font></font></font></span></p>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>I think there could be two strands to this:</i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>1) Local pragmatic ideas</i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>2) Global economic systems</i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>This group may focus on the local schemes and the Positive Alternatives group can look at the Global. </i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<blockquote><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"><i>Both could examine what the faith and belief perspective is on this.</i></font></font></font></span></blockquote>
<p><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">Number one is the only one that feels worthwhile to me. I believe the foundation of global anything-of-consequence is abundant, affordable ancient sunlight (fossil fuels), and I do not have faith in that foundation. Even if it holds for twice the time projected by the most cautious analysts, it is wise to (be able to) rely on what is reliable. Plus, people on the ground will together conclude one day that fouling their surroundings and sacrificing lives of some and health of many both to obtain the fuels and by using the fuels is intolerable. </font></font></font><em><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">Global</font></font></font></em><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"> will be recognized by all to be synonymous with entitlement, narrowly defined and selectively allowed, as it has been.</font></font></font></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-2"><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">When we go local or perhaps bioregional, we can mimic ecosystems, all of which are place-based and gravity- and solar-powered, using both present income and that which beings paid forward (</font></font></font><em><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">legacies</font></font></font></em><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">; soils, most importantly). When our systems better mimic ecosystems, we will rely on complementarity more than conformity, compliance, cooperation and even collaboration. We will arrange our </font></font></font><strong><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">economies as forums for all </font></font></font><em><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1">voices</font></font></font></em></strong><font color="#000000"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"> (read productive, full expressions of whole people, not just articulated demands and opinions). Because people are multidimensional and everything rises and falls, all out of sync, complexity will not be lacking. These forums will be necessarily (naturally) dynamic manifestations of who/what is present and contributing. In time, appropriate traditions of being-in-place will return to serve.</font></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">Voice in the limited sense simply cannot go as far.</font></span></p>