11/28 Round 1: Jitendra Darling - Occupy Cafe2024-03-29T06:33:57Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/11-28-round-1-jitendra-darling?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A14531&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIndeed. Much appreciation, H…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-30:6451976:Comment:143512011-11-30T15:44:11.475ZDavid Eggletonhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DavidEggleton
<p>Indeed. Much appreciation, Helen.</p>
<p>Indeed. Much appreciation, Helen.</p> I loved these videos, Helen. …tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-30:6451976:Comment:145312011-11-30T08:32:39.435ZJitendra Darlinghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/JitendraDarling
<p>I loved these videos, Helen. Thank you!</p>
<p>They are each heartening and extraordinary demonstrations of what can be accomplished when we cooperate with, and entrust, nature to it's own devices. </p>
<p>I can always bring examples of true sustainable success back to the heart and being of the people managing and stewarding those successes. In both cases with these videos, each of the stewarding "growers" had a profound respect, understanding and, perhaps most of all, trust in the…</p>
<p>I loved these videos, Helen. Thank you!</p>
<p>They are each heartening and extraordinary demonstrations of what can be accomplished when we cooperate with, and entrust, nature to it's own devices. </p>
<p>I can always bring examples of true sustainable success back to the heart and being of the people managing and stewarding those successes. In both cases with these videos, each of the stewarding "growers" had a profound respect, understanding and, perhaps most of all, trust in the intelligence of right relationship, and that trust only comes with a deep respect and love for oneself. And most likely, vice versa.</p> Hello Occupy! and especially…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-29:6451976:Comment:139832011-11-29T03:40:03.471ZHelen Robertshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/HelenRoberts
<p>Hello Occupy! and especially hello David!</p>
<p>Here are two inspiring videos on sustainability. They do speak of a balance between process and action. More than balance; each is a love story.</p>
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<div><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html…</a></div>
<p>Hello Occupy! and especially hello David!</p>
<p>Here are two inspiring videos on sustainability. They do speak of a balance between process and action. More than balance; each is a love story.</p>
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<div><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html</a></div>
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<p> </p> After Jitendra's start, we he…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-28:6451976:Comment:140542011-11-28T19:15:08.710ZDavid Eggletonhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DavidEggleton
<p>After Jitendra's start, we heard from callers about discussions without end/resumed the next day and New England town meetings (annual events), which, at least in principle, involve all who show up and reliably get business done.</p>
<p>When Jitendra reiterated the tension between process and action, I was moved to speak about economic participation and contribution. I said the movement seems stuck on key questions pertaining to production: will production continue to be anywhere for…</p>
<p>After Jitendra's start, we heard from callers about discussions without end/resumed the next day and New England town meetings (annual events), which, at least in principle, involve all who show up and reliably get business done.</p>
<p>When Jitendra reiterated the tension between process and action, I was moved to speak about economic participation and contribution. I said the movement seems stuck on key questions pertaining to production: will production continue to be anywhere for consumption everywhere or will production be decentralized, in each community, for each community? If the latter, a lot of process could be transformed into action that would be meaningful and fulfilling contribution/expression.</p>
<p>A lot of process is the cost of trying to work levers that are hard to find and difficult to reach. What might a balance between process and action look like? A local economy!</p> The "New England-style town m…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-28:6451976:Comment:137002011-11-28T18:06:39.778ZStephen Buckleyhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/StephenBuckley
<p>The "New England-style town meeting", widely recognized as a highly democratic form of decision-making, has a mechanism for balancing the competing desires for more Discussion ("process") vs. immediate Decision/vote ("action").</p>
<p>At any point during general Discussion of an proposal, any citizen can ask (and get) an immediate vote to end Discussion, in order to clear the way to then vote on the proposed Action itself.</p>
<p>This "vote to end Discussion" is a way for the majority of…</p>
<p>The "New England-style town meeting", widely recognized as a highly democratic form of decision-making, has a mechanism for balancing the competing desires for more Discussion ("process") vs. immediate Decision/vote ("action").</p>
<p>At any point during general Discussion of an proposal, any citizen can ask (and get) an immediate vote to end Discussion, in order to clear the way to then vote on the proposed Action itself.</p>
<p>This "vote to end Discussion" is a way for the majority of citizens to express their desire as to whether (or not) they want to "stop talking and vote" on the Action.</p>
<p>Based on what I've heard about how the various General Assemblies are being operated, they does <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> seem to be this tried-and-true mechanism for preventing Discussion, ad-infinitum, that does not lead to any Action at all!</p>
<p>The "ground rules" of the existing G.A. approach seems to be "let's just keep talking until the Decision becomes obvious". (How totally naive! Sheeeesh!)</p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>