A Proposed Outcome of the Occupy Movement: Creating & Installing A New Money System Without A Focus on the Existing One - Occupy Cafe2024-03-29T15:59:49Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/a-proposed-outcome-of-the-occupy-movement-creating-installing-a?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A9599&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGail,
I should add that, if y…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:105142011-11-17T19:45:32.262ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>I should add that, if you reread your last post in a dispassionate moment, you will notice that it's almost unintelligible, suggesting that it is you who are responding from emotional over-reaction to my straightforward, unemotional, purely logical and quite reasonable statements.</p>
<p>This reinforces my suspicion (in fact, near certainty) that you are projecting your emotional condition onto the one who has challenged your certainties.</p>
<p>This is the almost universal mode…</p>
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>I should add that, if you reread your last post in a dispassionate moment, you will notice that it's almost unintelligible, suggesting that it is you who are responding from emotional over-reaction to my straightforward, unemotional, purely logical and quite reasonable statements.</p>
<p>This reinforces my suspicion (in fact, near certainty) that you are projecting your emotional condition onto the one who has challenged your certainties.</p>
<p>This is the almost universal mode of response of those who pretend to be spiritually ascended but have not addressed their own shadows and inner demons. What we do not own, acknowledge and befriend invariably arises to haunt us in moments of stress and this disowned shadow becomes the reality that we manifest around ourselves in the world.</p>
<p>Authentic spiritual growth begins with diving downward, not up, to discover the suppressed and denied demons in the lower world. Once acknowledged, owned and embraced, these demons become our allies and their power is available to us as our strength. This is the single most important lesson in spiritual development, and the one that almost all New Agers either ignore or refuse to engage.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p> Gail,
I suspect you don't rea…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:107052011-11-17T17:37:25.816ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>I suspect you don't realize just what it is you are "manifesting". You are projecting your own reactions or your own imagination onto me. </p>
<p>There is nothing in my remarks to suggest "anger" or "rage", and I've accused you of nothing other than sloppy thinking or poor communication - while you did accuse me of having an "agenda" and of "insulting" and "yelling" (which, unless I use CAPITAL LETTERS, is impossible to do via a text message).</p>
<p>So I repeat: you need to…</p>
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>I suspect you don't realize just what it is you are "manifesting". You are projecting your own reactions or your own imagination onto me. </p>
<p>There is nothing in my remarks to suggest "anger" or "rage", and I've accused you of nothing other than sloppy thinking or poor communication - while you did accuse me of having an "agenda" and of "insulting" and "yelling" (which, unless I use CAPITAL LETTERS, is impossible to do via a text message).</p>
<p>So I repeat: you need to re-visit your beliefs, arguments and conclusions and examine them for integrity, validity and consistency with the real world. And you would do well to stop projecting your own shadow onto others.</p> David,
Thanks.
Haven't had…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:104062011-11-17T13:49:09.436ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>David,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Haven't had time to take a look at the Crash Course yet but look forward to it.</p>
<p>Our exchanges here have been vey fruitful for me..really helped me "to put on the mind of the 99%"</p>
<p>I find this site takes more time and energy than TED because if its format so harder to keep up with the rich libray of posts commenters are saring with us.</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Lindsay</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Haven't had time to take a look at the Crash Course yet but look forward to it.</p>
<p>Our exchanges here have been vey fruitful for me..really helped me "to put on the mind of the 99%"</p>
<p>I find this site takes more time and energy than TED because if its format so harder to keep up with the rich libray of posts commenters are saring with us.</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Lindsay</p> Thanks. I'll take a look. I…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:101062011-11-17T13:09:12.545ZDavid Eggletonhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DavidEggleton
<div><p>Thanks. I'll take a look. I will bring my questions concerning "the foundation for those activities."</p>
<p>I wonder why you do not have such questions, until I recall that you don't echo Chris Martenson (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary">The Crash Course</a>, short form) like I do.</p>
</div>
<div><p>Thanks. I'll take a look. I will bring my questions concerning "the foundation for those activities."</p>
<p>I wonder why you do not have such questions, until I recall that you don't echo Chris Martenson (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary">The Crash Course</a>, short form) like I do.</p>
</div> Hi Kimberly,
Nice to see you…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:95992011-11-17T12:48:44.583ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>Hi Kimberly,</p>
<p>Nice to see you again. You'll be happy to know, it is not just tribal communities commiting as community to renewable energy Here in Maine the entire island of Vinal Haven.( just across the bay from my island) committed to and insvested in a windpower syetem for the whwole island. It has been up and running for about a year and has alreda relized a huge reuction of energy costs for each and every resident. Here on our island communities the distribution costs ( on top…</p>
<p>Hi Kimberly,</p>
<p>Nice to see you again. You'll be happy to know, it is not just tribal communities commiting as community to renewable energy Here in Maine the entire island of Vinal Haven.( just across the bay from my island) committed to and insvested in a windpower syetem for the whwole island. It has been up and running for about a year and has alreda relized a huge reuction of energy costs for each and every resident. Here on our island communities the distribution costs ( on top of useage) are a killer..I follow all practices of energy conservation I know of and my actual useage is minimal but my bill is $150+ a month.. ( next house will be 100% off the grid)</p>
<p>There is also an amazing and very encouraging tidal power project going on further downeast..I believe it only provides all power for a specific plant at the moment but there are systems like that in place all over the world that is also a very affordable low impact ( we look across the bay now at these shapes on the horizon) in which communities can co-invest with ahope of ebentually going comletely off the grid. These tide power/wave power stations also can at the same time desalinate sea water to provude gresh water for the entire community. The one down east works from a barge..via cable I think connected to a shore plant.. Lots of possibiities for shore front communities in tide and wave power.</p>
<p>I admire your commitent to these life serving earth serving possibilities.</p>
<p>Look forward to watching the video on solar power..thnaks for posting it.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Would be so great to see other whole towns and villages doing this..</p> David,
Do you know about En…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:95982011-11-17T12:09:33.753ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>David,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Do you know about Energy for One World?</p>
<p>The premise is that it will take about 30 years for a naturally ocurring and publicly supported transition to renewable energy to ocurr. Energy For One Wolrd is focsued on a global effort to create more equitable and affordable access to available fossil fuels as this transition ocurrs..essentially to encourage tapeworm comsumers of oil like the US and China to have a public policy of reducing demand for oil within their…</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Do you know about Energy for One World?</p>
<p>The premise is that it will take about 30 years for a naturally ocurring and publicly supported transition to renewable energy to ocurr. Energy For One Wolrd is focsued on a global effort to create more equitable and affordable access to available fossil fuels as this transition ocurrs..essentially to encourage tapeworm comsumers of oil like the US and China to have a public policy of reducing demand for oil within their own countries...a vigorous public policy of accelerated shift to renewable energy .</p>
<p>It is gaining visibility and support world wide and is a natural place for all renewable energy supporters to focus united action and support. </p>
<p>( I find this site very difficult to work with because its imposisble to add information to a post (or correct typos) and don't have the link her but you can find it via google by its name .. </p> Vic,
Enjoying all your post…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:95962011-11-17T11:57:46.748ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>Vic,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoying all your posts here at the cafe.</p>
<p>The local vs. global unity v individual is the same thing and beautifully expressed in the term "infinite interpenetration" ( from the flower garden school of buddhism..a school which in contrast to other schools emphasised service for the common good). At the level of individual, it means that each of us is unique and critically needed in our uniqueness but that we are constantly , infitinitely peneterating all others…</p>
<p>Vic,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoying all your posts here at the cafe.</p>
<p>The local vs. global unity v individual is the same thing and beautifully expressed in the term "infinite interpenetration" ( from the flower garden school of buddhism..a school which in contrast to other schools emphasised service for the common good). At the level of individual, it means that each of us is unique and critically needed in our uniqueness but that we are constantly , infitinitely peneterating all others and being penetrated by all others, for better or worse. so we thrive as individuals when our unique gifts find their place in service to the whole of humanity ( as I posted the other day "the world needs what awakens you" ( or something like that)</p>
<p>The same model works for local vs global economies. Each community has a natural economy emanating from its natural resources, its culture, its history, its place on the globe. Those economies thrive through their connection to the global economy...through their work products being desired and valued by other communities throughout the world I recently posred about a local dealer who has by passed the big city brokers and has a huge contrcat to sell our lobsters directly to China. That contract and others that connect the traditional products of our fishing village to the world will enhace comfort and security for every island family while preserving the culture and traditions of the island..</p>
<p>so maybe we could say instead of</p>
<p>co- exist</p>
<p>inter-exist</p>
<p> </p> Robert,
I will answer all of…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:102072011-11-17T09:57:50.605ZGailhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/Gail
<p>Robert,</p>
<p>I will answer all of your posts here because the final of your posts (in both categories) does not have a reply link.</p>
<p>Your anger about what I am saying and your distortions of my points make further conversation impossible.</p>
<p>I have been manifesting my own reality for years. I know that it works. I know how to create things and bring them into my reality - as unbelievable as you may think it is. You, who have never tried it, insists that it does not. This makes…</p>
<p>Robert,</p>
<p>I will answer all of your posts here because the final of your posts (in both categories) does not have a reply link.</p>
<p>Your anger about what I am saying and your distortions of my points make further conversation impossible.</p>
<p>I have been manifesting my own reality for years. I know that it works. I know how to create things and bring them into my reality - as unbelievable as you may think it is. You, who have never tried it, insists that it does not. This makes no sense, but if you say it's logical, and you're comfortable with that, I will not belittle you like you belittle me. Do you think i would lie to you?</p>
<p>You say that there is no schism between science and religion and that there are no schisms among various denominations that call themselves christian but deny that status to other groups that call themselves christian. It seems that reality can prove that you see what you want to see - as do we all. In your case, you make it very clear that you do not understand what I am saying, and I will no longer clarify. I will not bother you with facts while your mind is already made up.</p>
<p>You skip over the most important points of what I am saying and say that you are being logical and I am being both illogical and dishonest. You cannot skip over the most important points as if they don't exist and then critique what you obviously don't understand. that's not logical or fair.</p>
<p>I am not here to be insulted, yelled at, accused of lying, or belittled. I am here to help find a cure. I would appreciate your treating me and others with considerably more respect. If your vision of the new world order includes such rage as you have and are inflicting on others, I don't want to be a part of your solution. I doubt others do, when there is a viable alternative.</p> Kimberly,
I'm probably as fam…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:101042011-11-17T05:19:41.316ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>Kimberly,</p>
<p>I'm probably as familiar with the history of attempts to harness "free" energy as anyone here, and in spite of efforts like that of the Orion Project <a href="http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html">http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html</a> nothing has materialized that is demonstrable. It's all wishful thinking and, even worse, it's still the old paradigm putting on new clothes.</p>
<p>Dr. Brian O’Leary has taken enough bites of the "red pill" to realize that…</p>
<p>Kimberly,</p>
<p>I'm probably as familiar with the history of attempts to harness "free" energy as anyone here, and in spite of efforts like that of the Orion Project <a href="http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html">http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html</a> nothing has materialized that is demonstrable. It's all wishful thinking and, even worse, it's still the old paradigm putting on new clothes.</p>
<p>Dr. Brian O’Leary has taken enough bites of the "red pill" to realize that the wrong people run this Matrix world for the wrong reasons and that all previous attempts to shift out of it have been insufficient. But he hasn't yet taken the whole pill and likely never will, since he's dedicated too much of his life to the scientific/technological paradigm which is destroying us and is unwilling or unable to step outside of that box.</p>
<p>All human technologies have unintended consequences. That's a Universal Law. We have all the energy we'll ever need, directly from the sun, unmediated by PV panels or any other machine which requires the despiritualization and despoiliation of the earth.</p>
<p>What's far worse than simply repeating the same mistakes over and over again - such as reliance on, and hope in, technology - is proselytizing that dead-end path, such as you and Gail and others here are doing. The Natives don't need any more of your religion. It's time to shut up and listen to the Natives, since only they know how to live in balance on this sacred earth.</p> Gail,
Accusing those who chal…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-17:6451976:Comment:99842011-11-17T01:13:04.002ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>Accusing those who challenge your arguments and conclusions as having an "agenda" is a cop out and a diversion. The only "agenda" I have is challenging misguided beliefs and confused ideas in order to expose the truth that they obfuscate.</p>
<p>That you can't follow my clear logic (I got an A+ in logic 35 years ago, as a student of philosophy and religion), that you "have no idea how you can draw such a conclusion", and that you admit that your attempts at communication may not…</p>
<p>Gail,</p>
<p>Accusing those who challenge your arguments and conclusions as having an "agenda" is a cop out and a diversion. The only "agenda" I have is challenging misguided beliefs and confused ideas in order to expose the truth that they obfuscate.</p>
<p>That you can't follow my clear logic (I got an A+ in logic 35 years ago, as a student of philosophy and religion), that you "have no idea how you can draw such a conclusion", and that you admit that your attempts at communication may not be sufficiently intelligible ("The point that I am attempting to make...") suggest that you need to re-visit your beliefs, arguments and conclusions and examine them for integrity, validity and consistency with the real world.</p>
<p>And, when you attempt to make an argument, based on "legitimate and well-known physicists" and "more than 1,000 studies", you should be prepared to name or link to at least a few of them - otherwise it's just a false argument from authority (argumentum ad verecundiam).</p>