"Occupy 2.0" Inquiry Rounds 3-4: 11/29-12/12 - Occupy Cafe2024-03-29T11:34:54Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/occupy-2-0-inquiry-round-3-11-29-12-5?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A14982&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWe live in a highly complex s…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-13:6451976:Comment:176372011-12-13T22:57:54.824ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>We live in a highly complex system so it is possible that Occupy had an indirect effect on the Presidents attempt to delay approval of the piepline. </p>
<p>Occupy did not witness directly to the pipeline though and it is ar from off the table. It is still being built and both democrcats and republicans support it and are now using the payroll tax extension bill to try and expedite approval of the Key Stone pipeline (as well as to roll back some environmental laws on toxic…</p>
<p>We live in a highly complex system so it is possible that Occupy had an indirect effect on the Presidents attempt to delay approval of the piepline. </p>
<p>Occupy did not witness directly to the pipeline though and it is ar from off the table. It is still being built and both democrcats and republicans support it and are now using the payroll tax extension bill to try and expedite approval of the Key Stone pipeline (as well as to roll back some environmental laws on toxic emissions)</p>
<p>.Occupy has not been at all visible or constructive in the tar sands issue which is a natural center piece to any discission of a new economy, a non peak oil based economy. Anyone who gives Occupy any credit at all directly or indirectly is overly generous IMO. .</p>
<p>It is time Occupy got smart about the peipleine and made it a center piece of a call for a non-oil based economy.</p> When people say Occupy should…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-13:6451976:Comment:174542011-12-13T20:31:14.095ZJack Strasburghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/JackStrasburg
<p>When people say Occupy should be more involved in issues and mention Tar Sands as an example, I think they should consider what Naomi Klein (a major tar sands organizer and well known author) said on Democracy Now: " Many of the major organizers of tar sands believe that delaying the pipeline would not have succeeded without Occupy".</p>
<p>When discussing Occupy and issues, I think you need to take into consideration what Occupy makes possible even when not involved directly in the action. …</p>
<p>When people say Occupy should be more involved in issues and mention Tar Sands as an example, I think they should consider what Naomi Klein (a major tar sands organizer and well known author) said on Democracy Now: " Many of the major organizers of tar sands believe that delaying the pipeline would not have succeeded without Occupy".</p>
<p>When discussing Occupy and issues, I think you need to take into consideration what Occupy makes possible even when not involved directly in the action. I believe this is one of its major strengths.</p> What does it mean to be on th…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-11:6451976:Comment:167602011-12-11T17:12:15.215Zaunitedworldhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/aunitedworld
<p>What does it mean to be on the WE (100% collective) consciousness?<br></br>WE Party Peace Ambassadors are about helping and inspiring others primarily online. Peace Ambassadors promote doing what's considered right by 100% of people.<br></br>Examples<br></br>If a person does or says something that 99 out of 100 people feel is right and there is one person that doesn't feel that way, then it is wrong! <br></br>When a person is on the WE consciousness, they only look at what is right with the world and the…</p>
<p>What does it mean to be on the WE (100% collective) consciousness?<br/>WE Party Peace Ambassadors are about helping and inspiring others primarily online. Peace Ambassadors promote doing what's considered right by 100% of people.<br/>Examples<br/>If a person does or says something that 99 out of 100 people feel is right and there is one person that doesn't feel that way, then it is wrong! <br/>When a person is on the WE consciousness, they only look at what is right with the world and the people in it. If a person has 99 bad qualities and one good one, the only part of that person that is looked at is their one good quality. If a person chooses to talk about any of the negative qualities, they will no longer be in the WE consciousness.<br/>While on this level of consciousness, two parties agree to disagree, but do agree to move forward together. As soon as one party talks about something that the other party does not want to hear (such as complaining), the WE consciousness is broken. <br/>President Barack Obama was quoted as saying; "This country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules. These aren't Democratic values or Republican values. These aren't 1 percent values or 99 percent values. They're American values. And WE have to reclaim them."<br/>This is the way Deepak Chopra explains it (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyIrVsEpwU&feature=player_embedded">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyIrVsEpwU&feature=player_embedded</a>)<br/>Occupy Global has separated the WE’s and the WANT’s <a href="http://www.aunitedworld.net/global/news/view/171649/">http://www.aunitedworld.net/global/news/view/171649/</a> <br/>Anyone can become a WE Party Peace Ambassador (volunteer online mentor) by signing the 3 petitions to promote 100% collective consciousness (<a href="http://www.weare100percent.info/">www.WEare100percent.info</a>). The entire process takes just a few minutes.</p> Interesting stuff. I suspect…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-09:6451976:Comment:169572011-12-09T18:29:14.780ZKevin Parcellhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/KevinParcell
<p>Interesting stuff. I suspect that reports of the movement's death might be premature. Occupy is a new kind of political action, rooted in the decentralized nature of social media, which in fact does hear every voice. In this evolving paradigm, there's room for flakes, fantasists, environmentalists, unionists, communes, and everyone else. Why not a world this diverse if we can have it?</p>
<p>The old liberal/progressive/democratic paradigm focused on an agenda-driven campaign from the…</p>
<p>Interesting stuff. I suspect that reports of the movement's death might be premature. Occupy is a new kind of political action, rooted in the decentralized nature of social media, which in fact does hear every voice. In this evolving paradigm, there's room for flakes, fantasists, environmentalists, unionists, communes, and everyone else. Why not a world this diverse if we can have it?</p>
<p>The old liberal/progressive/democratic paradigm focused on an agenda-driven campaign from the left, which was necessary in a world where the media was structurally limited such that all the many interests of the left needed to unify to have a shot at contesting the singular self-interest of the far right that rules the financial world. But with our new tools we will inevitably construct a new economy to supplant the failed vision of that right elite</p>
<p>I have little doubt that this will happen, but exactly what that might finally look like is still unknown. Power paradigm shifts are messy. The last one in the western world came with the printing press, which supplanted the Church's grip on information, and it took about two centuries to make that switch. This new media changes the game again, and more than any change before, because now we will see a new <em>global</em> paradigm emerge. Before the printing press, for hundreds of thousands of years, information traveled by word of mouth, but word of mouth was technologically challenged, and so the new printing technology triumphed. And now, again, the technology will change our power structure, and it seems we are <em>back</em> to word of mouth, the mode that best suits the diversity of human interest and need. As a consequence we are seeing virtual communities of every sort emerge. Will physical communities appear over the coming decades that give real homes to these different dreams? Will society migrate entirely to online communities? I suspect that technological advances that we can now only guess at will have more influence on answers to questions like these than anything that the 99% can accomplish today. But imo this is the beginning.</p>
<p></p> Indeed provocative, my dear a…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-04:6451976:Comment:149822011-12-04T19:16:41.936ZLindsay Newland Bowkerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/LindsayNewlandBowker
<p>Indeed provocative, my dear anonymous friend.</p>
<p>I agree completely that the one thing Occupy did in the beginning that <strong>briefly</strong> connected with the 99% was to speak broadly to the fact of social, economic and political disenfranchisement of the 99% by the 1%..</p>
<p>That message can easily get lost issue by issue in the fashion the traditional left fought Keystone Pipeline, for example. But it was important to stop the pipeline ( it's not actually stopped..it's still…</p>
<p>Indeed provocative, my dear anonymous friend.</p>
<p>I agree completely that the one thing Occupy did in the beginning that <strong>briefly</strong> connected with the 99% was to speak broadly to the fact of social, economic and political disenfranchisement of the 99% by the 1%..</p>
<p>That message can easily get lost issue by issue in the fashion the traditional left fought Keystone Pipeline, for example. But it was important to stop the pipeline ( it's not actually stopped..it's still being built and is basically ready to just turn on so its not too late for Occupy to catch up. ).</p>
<p>Occupy didn't speak at all. Didn't even take the opportunity to connect the dots for the American and Canadian people which they could have used their visibility to do.</p>
<p>I agree completely with the author that Occupy has to transcend and be apart from these traditional left wing interest groups..it has to have its own authentic voice that the 99% recognize as their own.</p>
<p>That is not now the case and Occupy may have lost creditbility with the real 99% to a point where it cannot reclaim any influence or truly claim to be an authentic voice of the 99%. ( That's what its 33% approval rating as of 11/16 says to me)</p> Here's a provocative piece ou…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-04:6451976:Comment:150982011-12-04T17:19:20.449ZOccupy Cafe Stewardshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/21u3twzbb9qcp
<p>Here's a provocative piece out today from "conservative" NY Times columnist Ross Douthat entitled "<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-decadent-left.html?_r=2&src=rechp" target="_blank">The Decadent Left</a>." I think it speaks to our Occupy 2.0 conversation. An excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>The O.W.S. protesters, on the other hand, haven’t even settled on concrete political objectives. As two of the movement’s more perceptive conservative critics — …</p>
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<p>Here's a provocative piece out today from "conservative" NY Times columnist Ross Douthat entitled "<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-decadent-left.html?_r=2&src=rechp" target="_blank">The Decadent Left</a>." I think it speaks to our Occupy 2.0 conversation. An excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>The O.W.S. protesters, on the other hand, haven’t even settled on concrete political objectives. As two of the movement’s more perceptive conservative critics — <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/anarchy-usa_609222.html">Matt Continetti</a> in The Weekly Standard and<a href="http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/Commune-plus-one-7227"> James Panero</a> in The New Criterion — have said, many protesters seemed more interested in founding a kind of Paris Commune or Oneida Community in Zuccotti Park than in actually participating in public-policy debates.</p>
<p>This has led some liberals to argue that the Occupy protesters should find a way to imitate the more pragmatic efforts of unions and environmentalists. In a recent issue of The New Yorker, Jane Mayer<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/11/28/111128taco_talk_mayer"> highlighted </a>“the difference between the focused, agenda-driven campaign” fought by critics of the Keystone pipeline “and the free-form, leaderless one waged by the Occupiers.” Given that anti-Keystone activists succeeded (at least temporarily), she wrote, “the Occupy movement could do worse than to learn from the pipeline protest.”</p>
<p>But there’s a sense in which the pipeline protesters and Midwestern unions are exactly the people that the O.W.S. crowd should not learn from, if they aspire to appeal to a wider audience than left-wing activists usually reach.</p>
<p>Yes, Occupy Wall Street was dreamed up in part by flakes and populated in part by fantasists. But to the extent that the movement briefly captured the public’s imagination, it was because it seemed to be doing what a decent left would exist to do: criticizing entrenched power, championing the common good and speaking for the many rather than the few....</p>
<p>Whatever your politics, there’s arguably more to admire in the ragtag theatricality of Occupy Wall Street than in that sort of self-righteous defense of the status quo. Even if it has failed to embrace plausible solutions, O.W.S. at least picked a deserving target — what National Review’s Reihan Salam <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/284355/matt-taibbi-moral-ruptures-and-taxes-reihan-salam">describes</a> as the “moral rupture” created by Wall Street’s and Washington’s betrayal of the public trust.</p>
<p>Better a protest movement that casts itself (however quixotically) as the defender of “the 99 percent” than a protest movement that just represents Democratic interest groups. And better a left that flirts with utopianism than a left that adheres to the dictum attributed to Leonid Brezhnev during the Prague Spring: “Don’t talk to me about ‘socialism.’ What we have, we hold.”</p>
</blockquote> Bob Jones offered these thoug…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-04:6451976:Comment:148782011-12-04T17:15:49.290ZOccupy Cafe Stewardshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/21u3twzbb9qcp
<p>Bob Jones <a href="http://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/future-focus-of-the-ows-movement" target="_blank">offered these thoughts in another discussion he initiated</a> a little while ago, that I believe is worth picking up here:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since the coordinated nationwide crackdown and evictions by mayors on Occupations last week, many in the OWS movement have been asking this important question.-<b>Where should this movement and local groups focus their time and energy to be most…</b></p>
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<p>Bob Jones <a href="http://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/future-focus-of-the-ows-movement" target="_blank">offered these thoughts in another discussion he initiated</a> a little while ago, that I believe is worth picking up here:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since the coordinated nationwide crackdown and evictions by mayors on Occupations last week, many in the OWS movement have been asking this important question.-<b>Where should this movement and local groups focus their time and energy to be most effective now</b>? </p>
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<div>Primary- Focus on reaching "critical mass" as soon as possible. The logic is that until we have lots more folks involved across the country, we will not be very effective at making major changes in legislation. .</div>
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<div>Secondary- Focus on issues that are most important - possibly repealing Citizen's United case.</div>
<div>I agree with this approach but I would like to hear ideas from others.</div>
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</div> I agree about that resonance.…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-01:6451976:Comment:144962011-12-01T19:23:25.947ZKevin Parcellhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/KevinParcell
<p>I agree about that resonance. For me that means joining our voices, rather than raising them.</p>
<p>I agree about that resonance. For me that means joining our voices, rather than raising them.</p> Perhaps by not censoring voic…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-01:6451976:Comment:146502011-12-01T16:31:23.778ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>Perhaps by not censoring voices that make you uncomfortable?</p>
<p>Insisting on a very narrow realm of "civility" ensures that only the intellectual elite will be part of the conversation and ordinary working Americans will be excluded.</p>
<p>Perhaps by not censoring voices that make you uncomfortable?</p>
<p>Insisting on a very narrow realm of "civility" ensures that only the intellectual elite will be part of the conversation and ordinary working Americans will be excluded.</p> Here is a very well-produced…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-12-01:6451976:Comment:147142011-12-01T15:48:09.962ZOccupy Cafe Stewardshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/21u3twzbb9qcp
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwLfIDnmEJsDOTIzMDZmYTEtMDAxNi00ZWI1LWJiYzAtMjVkMjQ1Y2RkZmQx&hl=en_US&pli=1">Here is a very well-produced document from Occupy Toronto</a> on "What Is Next for the Occupy Movement?", based on a conversation held on November 25th.</p>
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<p><a target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwLfIDnmEJsDOTIzMDZmYTEtMDAxNi00ZWI1LWJiYzAtMjVkMjQ1Y2RkZmQx&hl=en_US&pli=1">Here is a very well-produced document from Occupy Toronto</a> on "What Is Next for the Occupy Movement?", based on a conversation held on November 25th.</p>
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