Occupy a New Story: 8/20 Vital Conversation - Occupy Cafe2024-03-28T11:22:22Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/occupy-a-new-story-8-20-vital-conversation?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A30101&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for commenting, Mushin…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-31:6451976:Comment:311562012-08-31T18:44:55.605ZBrian McConnellhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/BrianMcConnell
<p>Thanks for commenting, Mushin.<br></br><br></br>I expect the 'ethics' portion of the Capital Institute's working paper, in emphasizing how a 'new story' necessitates "a different over-arching ethos", will prove to be the real heart of global transformation. Ironically enough, but from my perspective, Berkshare founder Susan Witt has a particularly deep appreciation for the unfolding of this '<a href="http://neweconomicsinstitute.org/sites/default/files/TWT_witt_Dec_06.pdf" target="_blank">new…</a></p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, Mushin.<br/><br/>I expect the 'ethics' portion of the Capital Institute's working paper, in emphasizing how a 'new story' necessitates "a different over-arching ethos", will prove to be the real heart of global transformation. Ironically enough, but from my perspective, Berkshare founder Susan Witt has a particularly deep appreciation for the unfolding of this '<a href="http://neweconomicsinstitute.org/sites/default/files/TWT_witt_Dec_06.pdf" target="_blank">new story</a>'.<br/><br/>Brian</p> Brian,
Thanks enjoying the Et…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-30:6451976:Comment:311412012-08-30T20:35:19.219ZMushinhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/PatricRoberts
<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Thanks enjoying the Ethics for the Anthropocene. Very grateful Mushin</p>
<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Thanks enjoying the Ethics for the Anthropocene. Very grateful Mushin</p> C.A., it's daunting to me mix…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:302872012-08-26T20:30:10.907ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>C.A., it's daunting to me mixing threads with different contexts, and adding even more context. So, I'm missing your point(s). Would you mind my asking you to respond specifically to each so I can understand you? If there is a language barrier, of course I share responsibility for it, and in solving it too if I become aware of it.</p>
<p>I whole-heartedly accept your invitation of friendship and trust. sincerely, Dyck</p>
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<p>C.A., it's daunting to me mixing threads with different contexts, and adding even more context. So, I'm missing your point(s). Would you mind my asking you to respond specifically to each so I can understand you? If there is a language barrier, of course I share responsibility for it, and in solving it too if I become aware of it.</p>
<p>I whole-heartedly accept your invitation of friendship and trust. sincerely, Dyck</p>
<p></p> I think I hear your question…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:303562012-08-26T17:54:27.893ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>I think I hear your question C.A. And to expand on it I'll suggest it deals with an attribute of existence that is so common it becomes subtle, mostly unnoticeable. </p>
<p>For example, I walk, yet don't notice my gait or my shoe strike on the ground. When I at some point stop and look back I see I have walked from there to here. I think to myself I must have taken steps to get here, and further I recognize I had some kind of gait and each shoe came down in a flexing kind of way as my…</p>
<p>I think I hear your question C.A. And to expand on it I'll suggest it deals with an attribute of existence that is so common it becomes subtle, mostly unnoticeable. </p>
<p>For example, I walk, yet don't notice my gait or my shoe strike on the ground. When I at some point stop and look back I see I have walked from there to here. I think to myself I must have taken steps to get here, and further I recognize I had some kind of gait and each shoe came down in a flexing kind of way as my foot pushed off to propel me. OK, fundamental.</p>
<p>If all I ever do is talk about (or think about) what happened as I looked back... or if I project to say I'm going to do this again tomorrow... then I am <em><strong>not ACTUALLY</strong></em> dealing with life as it happens. Thinking even more deeply on this you can see & deduce that anything that is <em>not now</em> is not life at all... but only memory, speculation, theory, imagination... (thought). Which seems necessary.</p>
<p>I don't intend this as an answer but an inquiry into an ever-expanding question into reality & self. This fact of reality at each breath of life, is always the elephant in the room (that is so difficult to notice).</p> Hi C.A.
Are you offering to h…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:302832012-08-26T17:08:21.824ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>Hi C.A.</p>
<p>Are you offering to help me find my way out of "being lost in the New Age" by inviting me to 'find myself' in clarity you have? </p>
<p>I'll gladly accompany you if you would offer me some comfort by demonstrating you are not simply parroting, or using others works or famous names (authors or supposed experts) but that you can stand alone in the understanding you profess... even if it might not be complete.</p>
<p>I do recognize (between-the-lines tension) some peril of…</p>
<p>Hi C.A.</p>
<p>Are you offering to help me find my way out of "being lost in the New Age" by inviting me to 'find myself' in clarity you have? </p>
<p>I'll gladly accompany you if you would offer me some comfort by demonstrating you are not simply parroting, or using others works or famous names (authors or supposed experts) but that you can stand alone in the understanding you profess... even if it might not be complete.</p>
<p>I do recognize (between-the-lines tension) some peril of engagement here... yet, so useful as it ironically sets a simple table for 'refuting the idea of being selfless', on which all may dine.</p> I have to openly admit that I…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:301882012-08-26T16:03:51.441ZRichard Ohlroggehttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RichardOhlrogge
<p>I have to openly admit that I am not fully conversant in the works you refer to so that is my limitation however I also feel strongly that those actively pursuing new ways and understandings are well beyond the New Age mentality. Another way of viewing this is that throughout human evolution our species has been close to perfect at screwing up what exists simply because we are trying to survive at a time when we are unconscious of the consequences of our actions. I guess to some extent it…</p>
<p>I have to openly admit that I am not fully conversant in the works you refer to so that is my limitation however I also feel strongly that those actively pursuing new ways and understandings are well beyond the New Age mentality. Another way of viewing this is that throughout human evolution our species has been close to perfect at screwing up what exists simply because we are trying to survive at a time when we are unconscious of the consequences of our actions. I guess to some extent it will always be like that but I tend to lean toward the idea that new ways of communicating and inspiring will slowly cause a shift in how we all relate to each other and to the amazing universe in which we are travelling. Don't mean to wax poetic but that's what the passionate have a tendency to do!! I am also out there talking to 'real' people to gather a sense of what is meaningful to them in a deep and personal way!! Thanks for listening and reading!!</p> Sorry CA, I should have been…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:300772012-08-26T15:52:20.365ZRichard Ohlroggehttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RichardOhlrogge
<p>Sorry CA, I should have been more clear!! By those 'serving' I mean the likes of those on this forum and the many others that are straining to unveil ways of changing who we are and how we behave. A mighty challenge no doubt but one that requires the faintest sense of hope in humanity and the time to pull it off. It is easy to be skeptical in this day and age but it is courageous to be passionate about the possibilities!!!</p>
<p>Sorry CA, I should have been more clear!! By those 'serving' I mean the likes of those on this forum and the many others that are straining to unveil ways of changing who we are and how we behave. A mighty challenge no doubt but one that requires the faintest sense of hope in humanity and the time to pull it off. It is easy to be skeptical in this day and age but it is courageous to be passionate about the possibilities!!!</p> So, in your first paragraph,…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:300762012-08-26T15:42:59.207ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>So, in your first paragraph, Richard you've hit on what chimes my bells. It's about me learning what it is... to serve others without the self completely. Thank you!</p>
<p>So, in your first paragraph, Richard you've hit on what chimes my bells. It's about me learning what it is... to serve others without the self completely. Thank you!</p> Hi Dyck - I think we are all…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:301862012-08-26T13:59:35.078ZRichard Ohlroggehttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RichardOhlrogge
<p>Hi Dyck - I think we are all 'serving' - each in our own way - and propulsed or compulsed by forces that are deep inside of our psyches. I don't feel that we are trying to 'fix' the world as much as trying to find stories, and ways of telling them, that will 'awaken' those that are unconsciously asleep or living in bubbles of existence that are created by their egos. It is a struggle, no doubt - I agree whole-heartedly with the final 2 statements in your last post. </p>
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<p>Hi Dyck - I think we are all 'serving' - each in our own way - and propulsed or compulsed by forces that are deep inside of our psyches. I don't feel that we are trying to 'fix' the world as much as trying to find stories, and ways of telling them, that will 'awaken' those that are unconsciously asleep or living in bubbles of existence that are created by their egos. It is a struggle, no doubt - I agree whole-heartedly with the final 2 statements in your last post. </p>
<p>The foundation that has influenced me are the writings on Teilhard de Chardin and Thomas Berry and those scholars that have been mentored by them and it would take to many words to capture the essence of their ideas here but I can recommend a book written in the 90s that presents the subject in a compassionate manner - "Earth Story, Sacred Story" by James Conlon. Also check out this trailer for a new documentary currently in production (includes comments by Duane Elgin) - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lovethynature.com/evolution-nature-film-trailer/">http://www.lovethynature.com/evolution-nature-film-trailer/</a>.</p>
<p>I wish there was a more convenient forum space to pursue this subject in an open-ended manner with more focus and depth without restrictions regarding time but so far I have not found it - guess I have to start my own forum or blog to get there. Project for next year??</p> I probably should see "The Jo…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-08-26:6451976:Comment:302782012-08-26T03:20:52.324ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>I probably should see "The Journey of the Universe" to see what's so inspiring to many here.</p>
<p>The way you speak of the how you saw that the world needed a New Global Myth after 9/11 it sounds like you had instant clarity about a lot of stuff... like maybe some of your own social paradigm crumbling, or perhaps some of the common American social conditioning having no real premise of validity, and perhaps some reconstructed, more accurate vision.</p>
<p>I don't really understand the…</p>
<p>I probably should see "The Journey of the Universe" to see what's so inspiring to many here.</p>
<p>The way you speak of the how you saw that the world needed a New Global Myth after 9/11 it sounds like you had instant clarity about a lot of stuff... like maybe some of your own social paradigm crumbling, or perhaps some of the common American social conditioning having no real premise of validity, and perhaps some reconstructed, more accurate vision.</p>
<p>I don't really understand the propulsion to fix the world but I know it's strong in many, perhaps myself as well. This seems quite different from the propulsion to serve. Yet both can have a similar goal. The propulsion to learn or seek the truth is also fascinating to me as this relates to fixing versus serving. Maybe that's enough said as this implies my dilemma.</p>
<p>To look to science for wisdom seems to me like thrusting responsibility too soon on teenagers. But, perhaps there are appropriate tools, like various discoveries or technologies of the day, even the Roadmap.pdf, that are useful in our individual journeys. This is even acknowledging the spiritual journey has no need of worldly knowledge whatsoever. Perhaps some will be helped by science to come to the right spiritual questions, if that is their destiny.</p>
<p>It is so complex for me to hold all these dual notions to create my own story or myth or vision about something so broad as 'the world I wish to live in'. Yet I feel I can do this in limited scope. For example I see it is possible to raise my musical vision in order to be capable to teach myself to produce that vision.</p>
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<li>Having Vision <span style="text-decoration: underline;">versus</span> Living-In-The-Moment...</li>
<li>Having Conditioning & Bias <span style="text-decoration: underline;">yet</span> Creating a Story Free from Them...</li>
<li style="text-align: left;">Accessing One's Higher Self <span style="text-decoration: underline;">yet</span> Using Thinking (lower self) To Do It...</li>
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<p>To build a 'life construct' considering these attributes seems ultimately spiritual, learning about illusions & ignorance, very personal. So, it's hard for me to see how a global Myth gets created without the same demon and dimension of money in politics.</p>
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