Occupy "the New News Ecology:" 9/24 Vital Conversation - Occupy Cafe2024-03-29T08:57:20Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/occupy-the-new-news-ecology-9-24-vital-conversation?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A32273&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt wasn't my intention to use…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-25:6451976:Comment:327012012-09-25T16:58:08.799ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>It wasn't my intention to use objectivity and be judgmental, Ben... it was only to lay out what I see I'm dealing with. And I'm certain it's not a complete picture. </p>
<p>But answering your observation, seeing the apparent impossibility of something actually helps enable the new way of thinking for me. Of course, this assumes one doesn't just relent, concede or give up on something... esp when its so meaningful and fundamental as human expression.</p>
<p>If I were to see something…</p>
<p>It wasn't my intention to use objectivity and be judgmental, Ben... it was only to lay out what I see I'm dealing with. And I'm certain it's not a complete picture. </p>
<p>But answering your observation, seeing the apparent impossibility of something actually helps enable the new way of thinking for me. Of course, this assumes one doesn't just relent, concede or give up on something... esp when its so meaningful and fundamental as human expression.</p>
<p>If I were to see something emerging from my list it would be that objectivity must not matter (or is less important). Maybe its an illusion. As Jane alluded-to the observer always changes the observed, no? If we hear or create our expression as a story it is always subjective because we're human and automatically have filters based on our experiences. Expression is always about a relationship... either between that expressed and the expressor... or between that expressed and the expressor as a surrogate. </p>
<p>It must depend somewhat on what we're talking about... like is it an event, interpreting or abstracting an event, telling a story factual or fictional, with a point or without one... If there's lots of stories about the same thing something will emerge as most true by the numbers. But, maybe even that doesn't matter. </p>
<p>Since we all have differing life experiences we'll necessarily perceive expression differently... even tho we think we are understanding. For example, to casually mention a 'great' tree we all assume we know what that is. Yet looking at a tree one might be overwhelmed with its huge stature, another by it's vivid color, another by its potential for firewood, another by it ability to produce oxygen, etc.. </p>
<p>This topic is extremely fertile as it relates to all of life.</p> So it sounds like you're sugg…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-25:6451976:Comment:325052012-09-25T15:07:14.031ZBen Robertshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/BenRoberts
<p>So it sounds like you're suggesting that "objectivity" is unobtainable. What if we accept that and look for ways to support the new news ecology in which something larger is being served? Peggy told us that what inspires her is the idea of a shift towards news as conversation, with a focus on what is POSSIBLE (a future orientation, based on the idea that there is a New Story emerging into which we are being called to live) and the presence of diverse voices. I can work towards that--so…</p>
<p>So it sounds like you're suggesting that "objectivity" is unobtainable. What if we accept that and look for ways to support the new news ecology in which something larger is being served? Peggy told us that what inspires her is the idea of a shift towards news as conversation, with a focus on what is POSSIBLE (a future orientation, based on the idea that there is a New Story emerging into which we are being called to live) and the presence of diverse voices. I can work towards that--so far I think we're hitting two out of three here in the Cafe, with diversity being the element we need to work on the most.</p> Ben, et al
Here is link http:…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-25:6451976:Comment:325042012-09-25T11:20:43.037ZMushinhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/PatricRoberts
<p>Ben, et al</p>
<p>Here is link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y&NR=1&feature=endscreen" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y&NR=1&feature=endscreen</a></p>
<p>Outrage for current public/private mass manufactured media sources is an awakening experience of being stupid couch potatoes giving away personal responsibility for current human conditional situation. John Steward is truly an artistic new news journalist that uses articulated…</p>
<p>Ben, et al</p>
<p>Here is link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y&NR=1&feature=endscreen" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y&NR=1&feature=endscreen</a></p>
<p>Outrage for current public/private mass manufactured media sources is an awakening experience of being stupid couch potatoes giving away personal responsibility for current human conditional situation. John Steward is truly an artistic new news journalist that uses articulated comedy to release the emotional contradiction we experience in living our daily lives while demanding political solutions by humiliating the arrogant aggression of prejudicial elite political double binds operating the insanity happening. </p>
<p>We listen to clapping and screaming of the audience and agree in laughter not protesting in despair, resignation, powerlessness, or stuckness in cognitive dissonance. We feel our greatness together in the humiliating of the bullshit operating positions, titles and publications in the old story. </p>
<p>I say it's very relevant to the new news media Peggy is pointing to and may be the creative manner in which to have fun as journalists, occupy earth participants, and really bring forth change in the mass manufactured media instantly. Check out how "John Steward" forced a network to cancel the "Crossfire" political program by being a serious comedic contra varient as a voice of human, reason and serious stance within the issues of current journalistic bullshit we are paying for. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE</a></p>
<p>I learn a lot about elite prejudices from Fox News, thank you Fox News!</p>
<p>Latter Mushin </p> To help me get a handle on "N…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-25:6451976:Comment:323882012-09-25T02:13:44.494ZDyck Dewidhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DyckDewid
<p>To help me get a handle on "News & Journalism" I do some brainstorming on objectivity... it has at least several heads or levels. I think of imbalances, omissions, factual disparities, coverup & bribery, innuendo and more. How are these manifested?..</p>
<ol>
<li>What story (or movement or organization) or event is covered <span style="text-decoration: underline;">& <em>not covered</em></span></li>
<li>What questions are asked <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>&…</em></span></li>
</ol>
<p>To help me get a handle on "News & Journalism" I do some brainstorming on objectivity... it has at least several heads or levels. I think of imbalances, omissions, factual disparities, coverup & bribery, innuendo and more. How are these manifested?..</p>
<ol>
<li>What story (or movement or organization) or event is covered <span style="text-decoration: underline;">& <em>not covered</em></span></li>
<li>What questions are asked <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>& not asked</em></span>... and to whom</li>
<li>Latitude and freedom and fidelity of answers & expressions</li>
<li>Time and emphasis given to any story (priorities & biases)</li>
<li>Threats of bias include: monetary or political interests, family or personal interests, incompetence, ego.</li>
<li>When or how story is run or distributed and other choices... about priorities.</li>
<li>Affiliations and potential innuendos re journalist, editor, owner or network or corporation</li>
<li>Mission or purpose of the reporting agency, e.g. to stabilize the public (Peggy's observ), to get high ratings, to influence the 'norms', to serve the public by distrib 'safe' or 'established' information, etc..</li>
</ol>
<p>It seems to me, even with the best of intentions and no biases The Media or News Journalism would have an incredibly difficult time reporting on the Right news and right stories, giving the right amount of emphasis (considering ALL that's happening), and reporting it thoroughly & accurately enough to serve the best interests of the target public at large. So, what can I hope for or work for in all this?</p> World Citizens
Gary Davis pr…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:322782012-09-24T21:52:15.580ZMushinhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/PatricRoberts
<p>World Citizens </p>
<p>Gary Davis presence and passion today was a remarkable event. Check out "World Government by World Citizens." <a href="http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1" target="_blank">http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1</a></p>
<p>My take away is let's go to work write, post and create the new story together with real authentic story telling to relevant permanent human and business concerns. </p>
<p>Thank you Peggy </p>
<p>World Citizens </p>
<p>Gary Davis presence and passion today was a remarkable event. Check out "World Government by World Citizens." <a href="http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1" target="_blank">http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1</a></p>
<p>My take away is let's go to work write, post and create the new story together with real authentic story telling to relevant permanent human and business concerns. </p>
<p>Thank you Peggy </p> Can't view that video here in…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:322732012-09-24T19:24:19.615ZJeff Mowatthttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/JeffMowatt
<p>Can't view that video here in the UK Ben, but the only kill list I'm aware of is one with 47 million American on it:</p>
<p><a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/the-orphans-of-wealth/" target="_blank">The orphans of wealth and of adequate health</a></p>
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<p>Can't view that video here in the UK Ben, but the only kill list I'm aware of is one with 47 million American on it:</p>
<p><a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/the-orphans-of-wealth/" target="_blank">The orphans of wealth and of adequate health</a></p>
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<p></p> Mushin made a reference durin…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:322722012-09-24T18:57:15.547ZBen Robertshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/BenRoberts
<p>Mushin made a reference during our Cafe Call to the <em>"Chaos on Bulls#%t Mountain"</em> segment The Daily Show ran last week, now online in three segments <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-19-2012/chaos-on-bulls--t-mountain" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-19-2012/chaos-on-bull--t-mountain---video-distractions" target="_blank">here</a> and…</p>
<p>Mushin made a reference during our Cafe Call to the <em>"Chaos on Bulls#%t Mountain"</em> segment The Daily Show ran last week, now online in three segments <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-19-2012/chaos-on-bulls--t-mountain" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-19-2012/chaos-on-bull--t-mountain---video-distractions" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-19-2012/chaos-on-bulls--t-mountain---the-entitlement-society" target="_blank">here</a>. Not sure what this tells us about the "new news ecology" but it is very funny stuff, unless of course you're a fan of Fox News. </p>
<p>And yet... if Fox News seems like old fashioned propaganda/infotainment, can one argue that The Daily Show is something else, since so much of its stock in trade is pointing out the hypocrisy of mainstream media narratives? <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-6-2012/a-leak-of-their-own" target="_blank">This segment about Judith Miller</a> criticizing the White House for leaking information related to "national security" is a great example. Or <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-13-2012/newsleaks" target="_blank">this brilliant segment</a> following the news that the Obama administration has developed a "kill list" for suspected "terrorists" including American citizens (never mind that messy "due process" business).</p> Pia,
Our efforts can be drive…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:324872012-09-24T18:28:23.565ZJeff Mowatthttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/JeffMowatt
<p>Pia,</p>
<p>Our efforts can be driven by compassion, the golden rule of reciprocity </p>
<p>We can aim for peace, as <a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/peace-is-our-business/" target="_blank">I describe here</a></p>
<p>We can also aim for <a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/every-child-deserves-a-family/" target="_blank">all children to have a loving family home</a>.</p>
<p>We can do business which…</p>
<p>Pia,</p>
<p>Our efforts can be driven by compassion, the golden rule of reciprocity </p>
<p>We can aim for peace, as <a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/peace-is-our-business/" target="_blank">I describe here</a></p>
<p>We can also aim for <a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/every-child-deserves-a-family/" target="_blank">all children to have a loving family home</a>.</p>
<p>We can do business which <a href="http://economics4humanity.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/post-growth-people-centered-local-economies/" target="_blank">transcends production and profit maximisation</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff</p> Thank you, Pia, for scribing…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:322702012-09-24T18:19:45.629ZBen Robertshttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/BenRoberts
<p>Thank you, Pia, for scribing our harvest today!</p>
<p>Thank you, Pia, for scribing our harvest today!</p> First Harvest:
We are planeta…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2012-09-24:6451976:Comment:324822012-09-24T16:11:10.169ZPia Lizanahttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/piahealing
<p>First Harvest:</p>
<p>We are planetary citizens ... we can be anywhere in the world and talking to every one, necessary to recognize interdependence.</p>
<p>Starting from the goal of peace ... might be easier said than done.</p>
<p>Objectivity - Peggy recommends a book - the Elements of Journalism. Objectivity was never intended as it is now - making sure all perspectives are included. The origins of objectivity was looking at a wide range of sources and make sense of it, discern what is…</p>
<p>First Harvest:</p>
<p>We are planetary citizens ... we can be anywhere in the world and talking to every one, necessary to recognize interdependence.</p>
<p>Starting from the goal of peace ... might be easier said than done.</p>
<p>Objectivity - Peggy recommends a book - the Elements of Journalism. Objectivity was never intended as it is now - making sure all perspectives are included. The origins of objectivity was looking at a wide range of sources and make sense of it, discern what is going on. Transparency becoming more of a watch word.</p>
<p>Many people not engaging in media, choosing not to participate. Can we recreate journalism? Peggy: the old system is dying as the new system is being born. We're at a stage of revisiting the fundamental purpose.</p>
<p>Journalism has been one sided and male dominated. Need the woman's voice. Access both (men and women) wisdom's in the world.</p>
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<p>Peggy's Talk:</p>
<p>Who does journalism and how journalism is done is in upheaval. The notion of journalism is designed for us be free and self governing, to help keep us stable. However, we are in a time of change.</p>
<p>The new news ecology is about navigating change, informing and connecting us with other ideas, inspiring us to get involved.</p>
<p>Jitendra reports that the 10s of thousands of news providers are owned by 3 corporations.</p>
<p>Journalism as a conversation.</p>
<p>Navigate uncertainty. People are steered away from news because they can't find themselves in it. We turn to each other, our friends. Wellcommons.com plan to become the go-to place, half from journalists, half from the community. Has helped the journalists see themselves. The community wants to be solutions oriented.</p>
<p>The notion of possibility orientation - journalism has had a problem orientation. Who, what, when, where, why, how - now adding what's possible. Axiomnews.com based in Canada, all journalism informed by Appreciative Inquiry. </p>
<p>Bringing in increasingly diverse voices - traditional journalism mainly white and 85% white. The funding that's going towards experimentation in the new media, is going to the usual suspects. </p>
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<p>2nd Harvest:</p>
<p>To make journalism magnificent we need fusion with education, more humility, feminine point of view, interpretation rather than facts.</p>
<p>No written record of women's history.</p>
<p>We have instant communication. </p>
<p>There's a depth that we are missing. Garbage fills the depth that we're trying to grasp. Becomes violence.</p>
<p>We've become a more visual culture, artists contribute to how storytelling is done, combines left and right brains bringing facts and arts together.</p>
<p>Would like to believe in subjective journalism as something that cannot be changed. The next Buddha is the community.</p>
<p>Celebrating the wonderful men on this call! Salute all of us to be who we are.</p>
<p><br/>Closing Harvest:</p>
<p>Releasing fear</p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>Appreciation for every human story</p>
<p>Transparency apparent</p>
<p>Justice</p>
<p>How we treat Grandmother Earth is how we treat women</p>
<p>participating and joining in</p>
<p>actions toward solutions</p>
<p>aware ecology, aware democracy</p>
<p>ability to exform, opposite of inform</p>
<p>courage inspiration possibilities</p>
<p>take one step forward together, then another one, and another one</p>
<p>Peggy: each and every one of us has the capacity to change the world in the stories we tell and our authentic voices, navigating, reaching out, possibilities. The story of journalism, like each of us and changing times, exciting.</p>