What solutions do you suggest should be offered to the world by the Occupy movement? - Occupy Cafe2024-03-28T12:00:22Zhttp://www.occupycafe.org/forum/topics/what-solutions-do-you-suggest-should-be-offered-to-the-world-by?commentId=6451976%3AComment%3A8082&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPaul wrote: "To me, one majo…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-14:6451976:Comment:84332011-11-14T14:30:43.600ZDavid Eggletonhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/DavidEggleton
<p>Paul wrote: "To me, one major underpinning of that paradigm which needs to change is the official presumption that human value depends on external accumulation. That is one thing that seems to fuel the greed and desperate acquisitiveness of particular CEOs for whom millions of dollars of personal income are still not enough to make them feel truly worthy. Such a lack of an abiding, internal (transcendental) sense of self-worth also seems to fuel the power-gamesmanship of political groups…</p>
<p>Paul wrote: "To me, one major underpinning of that paradigm which needs to change is the official presumption that human value depends on external accumulation. That is one thing that seems to fuel the greed and desperate acquisitiveness of particular CEOs for whom millions of dollars of personal income are still not enough to make them feel truly worthy. Such a lack of an abiding, internal (transcendental) sense of self-worth also seems to fuel the power-gamesmanship of political groups who strive to steer the ship of state toward their particular destination (to the exclusion of the broader public's and the planet's overall needs)."</p>
<p>It's not only the few at <em>the top</em> or in power struggles who are lacking self-worth. The reduction of most persons to things throughout the last 400 years is responsible for a great deal and variety of compensatory behaviors that neither satisfy nor nourish.</p>
<p>We're fed myths of individualism to distract us from potential individuality that's unrealized. The truth is that each is unique and/while interdependent with all beings.</p> Thanks :) I will share it on…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-14:6451976:Comment:82562011-11-14T14:24:57.858ZNicole Smithhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/NicoleSmith
<p>Thanks :) I will share it on my Facebook!</p>
<p>Nicole</p>
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<p>Thanks :) I will share it on my Facebook!</p>
<p>Nicole</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><br/></span></p> "may I crosspost?"
Is that li…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-14:6451976:Comment:84272011-11-14T04:27:44.143ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>"may I crosspost?"</p>
<p>Is that like cross-dressing? Sure ;-)</p>
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<p>"may I crosspost?"</p>
<p>Is that like cross-dressing? Sure ;-)</p>
<p> </p> The national InterOccupy deli…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:79692011-11-13T20:06:55.802ZGary Horvitzhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/GaryHorvitz
<p>The national InterOccupy deliberative process is evolving into this very topic.</p>
<p>The national InterOccupy deliberative process is evolving into this very topic.</p> Robert, agreed, the block esp…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:83082011-11-13T18:39:13.618ZNicole Smithhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/NicoleSmith
<p>Robert, agreed, the block especially is difficult to negotiate and achieving egolessness... well, a challenge to say the least.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, that was very helpful, may I crosspost?</p>
<p>Nicole</p>
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<p>Robert, agreed, the block especially is difficult to negotiate and achieving egolessness... well, a challenge to say the least.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, that was very helpful, may I crosspost?</p>
<p>Nicole</p>
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<p> </p> The consensus process - at le…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:79592011-11-13T18:12:31.412ZRobert Riversonghttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobertRiversong
<p>The consensus process - at least as developed and taught by Quakers in both their spiritual meetings and in the non-violent movement-building work of A Quaker Action Group that later became the Movement for a New Society (MNS) - is almost universally misunderstood and hence abused.</p>
<p>It was designed primarily for small groups of people who shared core values, but it's been adapted and successfully applied to larger and somewhat more diverse groups and movements as well.</p>
<p>MNS…</p>
<p>The consensus process - at least as developed and taught by Quakers in both their spiritual meetings and in the non-violent movement-building work of A Quaker Action Group that later became the Movement for a New Society (MNS) - is almost universally misunderstood and hence abused.</p>
<p>It was designed primarily for small groups of people who shared core values, but it's been adapted and successfully applied to larger and somewhat more diverse groups and movements as well.</p>
<p>MNS trained the Clamshell Alliance organizers in consensus, who in turn shared it with the anti-nuclear power movement that they seeded. In 1978 at Seabrook, we successfully used the consensus process, though a concentric series of circles with spokes that radiated from the individual affinity groups up through a coordinating committee, to come to a very challenging group decision among 6,000 people in two days.</p>
<p>The difficulty in using the consensus model is two-fold. It works best in small, intimate groups with strongly-shared values and visions; and it requires that we "check our egos at the door" and act for the highest good of the group rather than pushing our own ideas. </p>
<p>It does <strong>not</strong>, as too many people believe, allow one person to "block" the consensus of the group; but strong objections are taken very seriously by the group (since the prophetic voice is often the lonely one), which seeks the third way between two apparently conflicting paths. If the impasse reveals that the objector does not, in fact, share the group's values and visions, then it results in that person voluntarily leaving the group - otherwise, if the objection is merely strategic, that person can choose to stand aside and allow the group to proceed. But these options require a degree of egolessness that few of us moderns can achieve.</p>
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<p> </p> Paul and friends,
Thank you f…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:80822011-11-13T15:41:27.607ZRob Wheelerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobWheeler
<p>Paul and friends,</p>
<p>Thank you for starting this very important discussion. A number of efforts are underway to try to come up with and support proactive campaigns and collaborative actions within the Occupy Movement; but the efforts are still somewhat disjointed, overlapping, and unintentionally somewhat competing. We could probably do a great service to the movement if we can catalog, list, and provide some means to support the movement in taking more collaborative and collective…</p>
<p>Paul and friends,</p>
<p>Thank you for starting this very important discussion. A number of efforts are underway to try to come up with and support proactive campaigns and collaborative actions within the Occupy Movement; but the efforts are still somewhat disjointed, overlapping, and unintentionally somewhat competing. We could probably do a great service to the movement if we can catalog, list, and provide some means to support the movement in taking more collaborative and collective action on key "demands" or solutions ie Educational Advocacy Action Campaigns. </p>
<p>I totally support your suggestions for the types of Solutions that could be supported. I also find the discussion on this forum thread so far to be pretty enlightened and valuable. Thanks everyone for your contributions. I would like to see if we can make use of Occupy Cafe to help the Movement unify somehow around key actions and solutions - of which there are many. </p>
<p>In fact here is an effort that has drawn 10s of thousands of people to contribute to developing and voting on a generally supported occupy platform: </p>
<p><a href="http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009" target="_blank">http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009</a></p>
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<p>An occupier named Andy Rose is also working on A Proposal Of A Process For Inter Occupy Consensus</p>
<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/nationalfacilitationtest1?pli=1" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/nationalfacilitationtest1?pli=1</a></p>
<p>and: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/nationalfacilitationtest1/browse_thread/thread/74f0e2858be24b31" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/nationalfacilitationtest1/browse_thread/thread/74f0e2858be24b31</a></p>
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<p>And there is another proposal for a Superassembly hybrid model linking the use of the internet and conference calling: </p>
<p><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://plntry.net/adv/adv_001.htm&usg=AFQjCNEB3qxQ29nErE_VNA2a5slJD6KlTA">http://plntry.net/adv/adv_001.htm</a> </p>
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<p>I am also attaching or uploading an article I wrote some years ago entitled, "Establishing a Participatory Model of World Democracy or Global Governance, which describes a model for participatory approaches to shared decision making combining the General Assembly model and processes with other civil society organizing. </p>
<p>So, I think that there are processes available if we do want to take more effective action as a unified and collaborative movement. Thanks again everyone,</p>
<p>Rob</p> If on a wide scale we actuall…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:84022011-11-13T14:48:30.859ZNicole Smithhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/NicoleSmith
<p>If on a wide scale we actually could learn to work by consensus that would be a tremendous contribution to the world.</p>
<p>If on a wide scale we actually could learn to work by consensus that would be a tremendous contribution to the world.</p> Robert,
Thanks for sharing y…tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-13:6451976:Comment:79532011-11-13T14:39:07.999ZRob Wheelerhttp://www.occupycafe.org/profile/RobWheeler
<p>Robert, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this important resource re Sacred Economics with us. While this may be one of the most important, I doub that it is The only paradigm-shifting alternative economics. For example, Margrit Kennedy has written a lot about both interest free economic systems and basing the monetary system on a basket of basic goods, etc. which would profoundly shift our current economic system and the paradigms on which it is currently…</p>
<p>Robert, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this important resource re Sacred Economics with us. While this may be one of the most important, I doub that it is The only paradigm-shifting alternative economics. For example, Margrit Kennedy has written a lot about both interest free economic systems and basing the monetary system on a basket of basic goods, etc. which would profoundly shift our current economic system and the paradigms on which it is currently based. </p>
<p>Similarly, there is a great proposal for how we can create a global alternative currency and new economic system based on Gradidos and VitaMoney that I would suggest we all check out, support, and use. It would not only create a new paradigm but support the transition that is needed to a fully sustainable and earth respectful society. See: <a href="http://gradido.net/en/Academy" target="_blank">http://gradido.net/en/Academy</a></p>
<p>Would love to see what you think about it once any of you have read how the VitaMoney transition plan works.</p>
<p>Rob Wheeler</p> .tag:www.occupycafe.org,2011-11-12:6451976:Comment:75702011-11-12T16:49:58.271ZPaul Bernstein, Ph.D.http://www.occupycafe.org/profile/PaulBernsteinPhD
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