"Hello Dyck,
In the context of economics, employment, social security, wealth distribution, etc., the accuser---as any individual or group of individuals---can be quite real.
So can the accused---the group of policy makers---be real, since the…"
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Janos Abel replied to Ben Roberts's discussion A Time for Courage: theme for the week of Jan 6, 2013Janos Abel replied to Ben Roberts's discussion A Time for Courage: theme for the week of Jan 6, 2013"Courage can mean that we dare to contemplate doing what is necessary no only what seems possible or interesting.
My suggestion of what is necessary, by the principle of First Things First,
is to challenge the established system's unspoken rule…"
Janos Abel replied to David Eggleton's discussion Everyone Invests in the group Alternative Economy"We probably mean different things by "stepping outside". I have been interested community experiments for decades but it seems to me that most of the relevant resources---relevant to physical sufficiency---are enclosed by the…"
Ben Roberts commented on Janos Abel's blog post Occupying should be just the first step"The "expertise" issue (does it have another name, perhaps?) is something that I have often noted as well. Our lack of trust in not only experts but also the media has left us without easily accesssible common ground on many fronts. Smor…"
Janos Abel replied to David Eggleton's discussion Everyone Invests in the group Alternative Economy"Although ecology is not the main lens through which I view economics, it is obvious to me that in nature there is no waste.
Economists could study "how nature does it" to produce theoretical models that reflect reality rather than the…"
Janos Abel posted a blog postOccupying should be just the first step
Occupying is a means to achieve certain ends. Agreeing what these ends are is the second step. Developing strategies for achieving the ends is the third step.In my view (from Occupylsx) physical occupation is getting to be a drag on moving forward towards the objectives. The Finsbury Square camp, for example is in a bit of a sorry state physically (ok, partly due to the wet weather). The economics work group is attempting to hold its twice a week meetings on site but even a suitable spot is…See More
Janos Abel replied to David Eggleton's discussion Everyone Invests in the group Alternative Economy"Good framework for thinking on economic fundamentals.
The purpose of production is consumption. Without buyers (providing demand), a product would have no value. Therefore any new style productive enterprise (especially co-ops and worker owneds)…"
Janos Abel replied to David Eggleton's discussion Everyone Invests in the group Alternative Economy"Good ideas, but too far removed from concerns about keeping the body alive.
The bottom line question regarding economics from an individual point of view is, "to whom am I froced to sell the time of my life, in order to acquire the means (food,…"
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Occupying should be just the first step
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Occupying is a means to achieve certain ends. Agreeing what these ends are is the second step. Developing strategies for achieving the ends is the third step.
In my view (from Occupylsx) physical occupation is getting to be a drag on moving forward towards the objectives. The Finsbury Square camp, for example is in a bit of a sorry state physically (ok, partly due to the wet weather). The economics work group is attempting to hold its twice a week meetings on site but even a suitable…
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Ben Roberts replied to Occupy Cafe Stewards's discussion 6/25 Vital Conversation: Occupy Patriarchy"Yes, it was! (I'm listening to the podcast of this call now, almost a year later). It was a good one, thanks in no small part to your efforts, Kelly."
"On Facebook, Practical Utopian Guides is a page focused particularly on the newest book by David Graeber, The Democracy Project."
David Grabowski posted a blog postWHEN EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION IS A DISTORTION .
Little Jimmy was crying to his mommy that his brother hit him he is a mean person to him. His brother never got the chance to present his and since he was older he was expected to know better. You might say that it was easy to demonize the old brother because the parents had established an acceptable pattern of conclusions based on past behavior.. How easy is it for the person who screams the loudest to be effective in convincing people to her/his side of the story. If it sounds…See More
Ben Roberts replied to Ben Roberts's discussion Sustainability at a Crossroads"I love your question and reflection on it Dyck:
And by the way, we are trying to broaden the "sustainability" conversation beyond the physical environment, to include our communities, e.g. social justice and economics, and also our inner…"
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WHEN EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION IS A DISTORTION .
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Cheryl Honey's Death
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New Writing from Graeber on Occupy and Democracy
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Why collaborating with others starts with "collaborating with yourself"
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