NOTE: this discussion is now closed to additional posts.  Our dialogue on Occupy 2.0 continues with our Round 3 thread here:

Occupy Cafe has stepped into the movement-wide conversation now swirling around the evolution of the #Occupy.  This thread continues the discussion begun here and on our 11/15 Cafe Call.

If you have not already done so, please examine the Mind Map produced with prodigious effort by OC Member Ellen Friedman, attached.  We want this conversation to build and evolve, so this kind of harvesting is invaluable.

We offered these questions as the second round of our inquiry commenced:

  • What is taking shape here? What is underneath what we are hearing? What is in the center of our listening?
  • What is missing from the picture so far?  What are we not seeing?  Where do we need more clarity?

Please note that this is a hosted discussion.  We will periodically be asking people to step back or step up, to make sure it is balanced and there is space for all voices to be heard.  We will also ask that side conversations that emerge be taken onto new discussion threads so that this core conversation remains focused and readable.  Thank you in advance for your help with this!


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I'm heartened by all of these efforts to express a collective will. To avoid splintering between and within different groups, and to include the thoughts of the 98% not on the ground, I think we need a process that offers to listen to every voice. Until everyone believes that everyone can be heard, real change might be impossible.

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A Suggestion for Your Consideration:

There is generally an assumption that the "specific purpose" of any movement must first be put forward.  Recent research and recent history shows that this is a mistaken assumption.

Instead, to accomplish any change the first step is to provide a forum where every individual has a voice, and the next step is to listen until everyone believes that everyone is heard.  This is the basis of the success of the Arab Spring: the belief that with democracy as a forum then every voice is heard.

However, #Occupy is rooted in the wide belief among people in existing democratic states that the voice of the people has been usurped by a minority.  In the U.S., for example, approval of the performance of Congress - the legislative branch of government - is at an all-time low of about 9%, which is 2% lower than support there for a communist government. 

And so, while the assertion of #Occupy that 99% of people support change has resonance, in fact almost as many people whom support change do not support any particular action other than to return power to the people by simply reclaiming their own voice in democratic government.  This is probably why #Occupy grew rapidly as an expression of the rejection of any attempt by an individual or group to claim to speak for the people.  In essence, #Occupy is an attempt at a forum where every voice might be equal. 

Consequently, if #Occupy now focuses on putting forward any specific demand other than being heard, or focuses on defining a direction other than genuinely representative democracy, then it will likely destroy itself.  Thus, to prevent the splintering of #Occupy into factions  with different specific goals, resulting in the disintegration of the genuine movement, it might be essential that this movement first focus on development of a platform that facilitates every voice being heard, and next that it listens - that we listen.

One example of a universal platform that facilitates every voice being heard is the familiar tournament-style tiered structure, wherein small groups first meet to listen and then each sends a representative on to the next level to relay the ideas presented, etc, until finally one small group genuinely represents every voice. This final assembly might then propose actions that represent the collective voice of the participants,  followed by every individual involved in the process voting on those actions.

Any social network, such as Facebook, might effectively serve as that forum.  It might not be unreasonable to suppose that Facebook is the best existing forum because it already has the broadest representation of the global population.  However, perhaps a social network dedicated to serving as such a forum, such as Occupy Cafe, rather than an existing network that facilitates many unrelated groups, such as the commercial and "government" interests widely perceived to be among the usurpers of individual power, would be most effective because it would be less likely to engender dedicated opposition to it serving thusly.

The structure of Ning networks (the generic platform used by Occupy Cafe) can easily host the tiered structure mentioned above because it would permit establishing a category of discussion for each tier and a separate discussion within each tier for each small discussion.  This would also create a transparent and permanent record of all proceedings, and thus serve as  a civil forum for all voices and a proof that every voice is heard.
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