Comment by Lindsay Newland Bowker on January 2, 2012 at 12:09pm

Kevin,

I have nothing further to sayo the original intention of Americas Elect, Reason FFoundationn et al to put  Ro Paul forawrd and I think they are now questioning that and looking to the other ":lead trackers" at the AE web site, Rick Santorum and the Lousianna guy ( whose name escapes me atthis exact moment).  If you go the web sites of any of these top trackers at AE its all the same as a plat form.so idnetical it is hard to see ay distinctionn at all.  So mahbe it would be corret to say AE has a very clear annd obviously discernible agenda and it is the exact opposite of whatthe 99% movement seeks ad believes in.

Still very eager to hear your clarificationn of what a "progressive" is.  Whata progressive believes is good for america..what a "progressive" would deliver to t he 99% legislatively, constituionally?   What "progressive" values Obama threw under the bus?

More to the poinnt, given your commets to date here, do you see AE as represnting and advancing these "progressive" values? 

 

Comment by kevinschmidt on January 2, 2012 at 5:19pm

Then there is no proof that AE "hopes to elect Ron Paul", or any other candidate. Nor is there proof that AE has a clear plan "to attract a majority of independent voters who were key to Obama's win in 2008".

As I said before, I do not trust AE because of who is funding their political party. Further than that, I do not know what their plans are, but would not be surprised if it was revealed that they only want to benefit a very few minority within the upper 1%.

Other than an overwhelming dissatisfaction with our federal government and the direction in which they are taking America, I have yet to see any poll that clearly shows what the 99% want.

The only comment I will make about progressives, is that they are not just the product of the Democratic Party. This is only a modern phenomenon. Some of our greatest progressives have been Republicans. Just ask Teddy Roosevelt.

If you want to know more about progressives, then here is a much greater authority than me on the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

Comment by Lindsay Newland Bowker on January 2, 2012 at 6:06pm

again..I didn't set out to prove anything or persudae ayone of anything..oly to share what I hadconcluded after independently investigating  AE.

Thaks..ues I have read a lot about prpgressives..I was just tryig to get a sense of what yiu felt from the progressive movement got thrown uder a bus. 

Comment by Lindsay Newland Bowker on January 3, 2012 at 12:51pm

Kevin & all..here is a fascinating and completely different take on Americans Elect..don't know the blogger but there are some interesting observations here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/americans_elect_obamas_third...

One of his arguements is that AE is a vehicle with no riders.  That may be true but many here me included have said that what we need is a vehicle for non party non partisan workings in the elctoral process..which is what AE claims to be.  IfI believed it was that or could be that I would be thrilled 

Another of his arguemets is that third parties arise from natural coalition of interests with a well defined point of view on governance and priorities..in other words that as a Political Party  which AE is already in 13 states and seeks to be in all 50 it is not valid as an empty vessel  with no stated poinnt of view.  I am not sure I agree with that...but without a response to that at this moment

Most interesting of all is his idea that Ackerman, founder and $5 million initial funder of AE has not abadoned Obama after all but  is setting up an intentional "fly paper" for the uninformed and easily manipulated middle with the iintent of keeping this muddled uninformed center out of the two party vote process which will leave the competition  and determination to regular party politics minus the muddled middle and give Obama a small victory.  To that arguement I say..that's very interesting and possibly correct.

Fascinating all of it

Comment by lemme howdt on January 3, 2012 at 2:13pm

Lindsay - here is another group that represents independent voters : http://www.independentvoting.org

They were created with the fall-out from the Perot movement.  I personally question all political systems - but we are looking for something, so this conversation proceeds.

Comment by Lindsay Newland Bowker on January 3, 2012 at 2:33pm

Hi Lemme ( love the bunny..don't have onne now but have had several who won my heart)

 

Thanks for the link to independent voting..I see we don't have one here in Maine..we have One Maine which is headed by Eliot Cutler also a key figure in  Americas Elect.  inedpendent voting looks more like what I was hoping for.

I would be really interested to know whether you have any take on Americans Elect?

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